On this episode, I sat down at my kitchen table with Jeremy Banter and Esther Sutherland, a couple local Santa Barbara trailrunners. They both ran Tierra Redonda in November 2025, a fixed time event. Jeremy did the 48 hour and Esther did the 24 hour event. They each had specific distance goals they wanted to achieve. We dove deep into both of their experiences.

In the beginning of the episode, Jeremy mentioned that, before he started running obsessively, his main sport was skateboarding. He sent me over some old skate footage of himself, posted below. He was pretty good, check it out!